icewolf: surrounded by freaks (surrounded by freaks)
I swear, if I see one more person respond to the phrase "women should be able to wear whatever they like without fear" with "while you have the right to wear whatever you want, wearing a meat dress for a walk through a dog park may not be the wisest of choices" I cannot be held responsible for my actions. First of all, way to compare me with meat. Very nice. Secondly, most, if not all, women have learned this lesson, painfully (whether through humiliation or Worse) by the time they're sixteen. Really? I shouldn't wear a deep-V belly shirt, a micro-mini, and 4-inch heels down a dark street in Druid Hill? The devil, you say! I would never have thought such a thing! Lastly, you're responding to a gender equality issue with a public safety tip. Apples and oranges.

As a few of my friends (wave to [personal profile] commodorified and [profile] ducinbradbury)around these parts have written lately, how about we make sexual assault prevention about, you know, people not assaulting others? It's degrading to both men AND women to keep the status quo. Men[1] are human beings perfectly capable of keeping their hands and genitalia to themselves. Such assumptions that they can be oh-so-easily turned into assaulters by a flash of skin is incredibly demeaning. Additionally, women[2] should not bear the responsibility for keeping themselves from being assaulted by determining what they're going to wear on a given day (or evening) based on what might (or might not) attract a would-be attacker.

A perfect example is the poor man who was beaten at a Dodgers game for wearing a Giants jersey. No one has ever said he "asked for it." No one has done anything but completely denounce the people who assaulted him so terribly. Not even the usual trolls have come out to play in the comment sections of these news stories. It says something. And it's nothing good.

1. That's not to say that men are the only people who sexually assault others, but all too often, in common discourse, this is how the roles get boiled down.

2. Same goes for women--they're not 100% of the victim base by a tragic long shot.

Date: 2011-04-19 07:19 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile]
The clothing = asking for it argument holds even less water when you line them up with the words of rapists that the only thing that matters to them clothing-wise is accessability. Someone in a ponytail and loose sweatpants might very well be at MORE risk for assault than a woman in a low cuttop. So it's stupid and wrong from both moral AND practical angles.

Date: 2011-04-20 01:37 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile]
"while you have the right to wear whatever you want, wearing a meat dress for a walk through a dog park may not be the wisest of choices"

Seriously? Fucking Seriously?

And thank you for your succinct, sane, and (near)comprehensive rebuttal of that. I say near because I feel like there's some swearing and personal insulting territory that you didn't cover, but that's probably for the best. I... ARG.

Date: 2011-04-23 12:40 am (UTC)From: [identity profile]
1. You are smarter than most women. Women, even.

2. Said Giants fan WAS kinda asking for it. But see below.

3. The argument is not meant to imply strictly that those women had it coming. (And if anyone making that argument thinks that, well, I think they have it very wrong.) At any rate, it was never about how to order women around; it's about what society should do about a situation where a woman gets raped.

So here's the clincher: society isn't going to fail to drop the hammer on a rapist in any situation. (Or at least, it had better not; this is what I'm getting at when I say "I think they have it very wrong".) Whatever that woman was asking for, she pretty much got, plus interest; what that rapist is asking for is much worse, and it's on the way. Same for whoever decides to beat someone up for wearing a Giants jersey.

Anyone making that argument conscientiously is saying "society will fix that rapist good. But we can't fix her. And we're not allowed to follow her around and keep her safe. So stop tying our hands." Yeah, it's not fair that you don't get to do what you want because assholes are on the loose. But until we invent a Potential Rapist Detector, we're stuck begging women not to tempt fate in the first place, because we'd really, really, really rather not see that happen to a woman.

...of course, if it's the condescension of the argument that offends you, by all means, keep yelling back like this. Do kindly make that extra clear, though; we are men, after all.


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