Huh.

[icewolf]

Well, a big old howdy-do and thanks to all the folks who are assuming I'll run right out and break the confidentiality of their locked posts.

Your (and there are a LOT of people in that your) faith is heartwarming. Really.

EDIT: Okay, let me explain my understanding and philosophy of Internet Privacy.

If you say something on the Internet, it's like shouting it on a street corner. Even if you say something in a locked post, it's like saying something in the middle of a party. If one doesn't want people either repeating or hearing what he or she says (or doesn't trust that they won't do so by accident), I strongly suggest that the invitations be strictly monitored.

I'm not saying that the LJ/FB script is good, or okay, or whatever. I don't even think LJ itself is good or okay anymore, hence the fact that my original posts all come from DreamWidth these days. However, I am saying that if privacy is a major concern for you, you need to be the first person to take responsibility for it by carefully setting up and maintaining filters, and by seriously examining what readers go into what filters.

Comments

[cathexys]

I'm really confused. Your first part suggest that you're offended that people *are* making sure noone links/copies comments out of one's flocked posts. Your second statement says that it's the person's responsibility to not invite anyone in.

I mean, aren't the statements "please don't link/copy out of my flock the very responsibility you're asking for? (seriously asking!)

[icewolf]

*sigh*

I just remember the, ahem, event that brought us together as friends. The Great Slash Debacle of 2006. I was so very clueless, and you were so very kind. And I tend to place my own knowledge as the lowest common denominator of any given group. (*snort* This is actually something I'm working on in therapy.) So I'm assuming that everyone's smarter than me, and knows how to not get caught in these sorts of things. Hence my, "Don't you people know better?"

I wasn't so much offended as annoyed. And I know that for folks like yourself, who work very hard to keep a clear line between real life and fannish studies, this is a real worry. But there were so many people on my FL who were, honest to goodness, throwing the all caps around and threatening to defriend/excommunicate/hate forever anyone who crossposted their locked entries. I kind of snapped, I guess.

[cathexys]

Oh, ok...that makes sense. I actually don't really see anyone on my flist doing it and am oddly not too worried (which is why I was kinda what at your post). But yeah, I actually agree that within fandom it's real unlikely to be a big issue...


What kind words :) oh the ole times...

[noncalorsedumor.livejournal.com]

Who's assuming that about you?

[icewolf010.livejournal.com]

It's just seeing all the "OMGI'MGONNADEFRIEND/BAN/HATEFOREVERANYONEWHOCROSSPOSTSMYLOCKEDSTUFFTOFACEBOOK" posts today. My feeling is if you didn't feel you could trust me in the filter, why include me in the first place, you know?

[dulcinbradbury.livejournal.com]

Yah... the OMGWTFBBQDIRECONSEQUENCES!!! is excessive. Then again, since LJ doesn't split between access and reading lists, it's easy to wind up taking a chance on someone you don't really know well, because you find them interesting to read.

[noncalorsedumor.livejournal.com]

I understand objecting to the threats, but I think people are genuinely concerned that their information is going to be shared without their permission--something Facebook is already very good at--and even well-meaning people may not realize that they could be sharing their friends' information. I (obviously) don't really have a problem with people being up-front about not wanting their information shared, and as the commenter below noted, I think accidental cross-posting is a concern.

[pokeyburro.livejournal.com]

The Great Facebook/LJ Crosslinkup. Breaking personal links since 2010.

Ha.

[dulcinbradbury.livejournal.com]

Really, in my opinion, it's 1. principle of the thing, 2. the possibility of accidental crossposting, that really bother me. Yah, I trust most of my f-list not to be jerks. I still don't like this set-up.

[icewolf010.livejournal.com]

The principle is fine. That's why I left LJ as my primary blogging site months ago. But there are people on my FL who have made a big stinking deal about being afraid that people will betray the confidentiality of locked posts.

It goes back to my aggravation with folks not fully understanding the privacy--and lack thereof--on the Internet. If you say something, it's like shouting it on a street corner. Even if you say something in a locked post, it's like saying something in the middle of a party. If one doesn't want people either repeating or hearing what he or she says (or doesn't trust that they won't do so by accident), I strongly suggest that those folks restrict the invites.

[dulcinbradbury.livejournal.com]

>>Even if you say something in a locked post, it's like saying something in the middle of a party.<<

Yes. This is something that bothers me intensely. I've seen big messes start over something said in a f-locked post, where the person who posted it uses the defense of "but it was a locked post & I was venting."

"You just vented to fifty people. That's not really venting, now is it?"

[pokeyburro.livejournal.com]

Indeed. My philosophy takes it a step further. The thing I dislike about f-lock leaks is the thing I dislike about communication, which is 99.9% unavoidable. I'm friends with friendly people. The transitive closure of my LJ friends is probably very close to the entire LJ userbase, which is to say, well beyond the set of people who'd care about something I said.

So, the only real solution in my mind is to assume EVERYTHING I say might as well be said in front of anyone, and so if I'm going to talk about an acquaintance, I'll make sure I wouldn't mind it being said right to their face.

I might still get misunderstood or misheard or mis-repeated, but good grief people, that's the risk of putting your social shingle out there.

[madmoisellestar.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I saw that and thought it was stupid (the feature) and considered if I needed to post something like that. Realized I'm pretty confident in how I use my filters.

[madmoisellestar.livejournal.com]

Which is neat - I don't think I knew that before I had a reason to think about it.

[margoeve.livejournal.com]

I use my filters pretty damn well. I still felt the need for the reminder. As well as the permission to say if it's open, go ahead.

I didn't put any OMGCONSEQUENCES.